Supply House Times logo Supply House Times
search
cart
facebook instagram twitter linkedin youtube
  • Sign In
  • Create Account
  • Sign Out
  • My Account
Supply House Times logo Supply House Times
  • NEWS
    • ASA NEWS
    • Company News
  • PRODUCTS
    • Interactive Spotlights
  • COLUMNS
    • Natalie Forster: From the Editor
    • Alicia Branham: Marketing Matters
    • Brad Williams: Succession Planning
    • Melissa Rasico: Luxury Plumbing Lounge
    • Letter from ASA President
    • Guest Columnists
    • Safety Columnists
  • MARKETS
    • Codes & Legislation
    • Heating & Cooling
    • Industrial PVF
    • Plumbing
    • Radiant & Hydronics
    • Solar Thermal | Geothermal
    • Technology
    • Women in Industry
  • BATH & KITCHEN PRO
    • Bath & Kitchen News
    • Bath & Kitchen Products
  • SPECIAL EDITIONS
    • B.I.G. Book Directory
    • Premier 150
    • Rep Locator Directory
  • MEDIA
    • Podcasts
    • Videos
    • eBooks
    • Webinars
  • RESOURCES
    • Radiant Comfort Report
    • Industry Calendar
    • Industry Links
    • Custom Content & Marketing Services
    • Market Research
    • Supply House Times Store
  • EMAG
    • EMAGAZINE
    • ARCHIVE ISSUES
    • CONTACT
    • ADVERTISE
  • SIGN UP!
ColumnistsRadiant & HydronicsDan Holohan: Heating Help

Visual thinking is the key to troubleshooting hydronic systems

By Dan Holohan
Visual thinking is the key to troubleshooting hydronic systems
July 20, 2017

But which path? When I first was learning about hydronics, a guy I worked with, who was 15 years older than I was, told me to imagine myself as a marble moving through the pipes. He’d have me feeling the friction as I rolled along the inner surfaces of those pipes. “Here, walk down the hallway and rub your right arm against the wall,” he’d say. “Feel the heat? That’s friction.” That sure worked for me.

He’d also make me visualize the crash of the marble (or the water) as it entered a 90-degree elbow. He’d make me think about what I would do if I entered a tee. Which way would I go? I’d tell him I didn’t know. He’d tell me to think and to feel it. “Which is the easiest way?” he’d ask. “Where’s the path of least resistance?”

He was so good at making the movement of water visual for me. Even after all these years, if I’m trying to solve a problem with a hot-water system, I’ll go back to being that marble. I’m red and blue. Which way would I go? And why?

That’s visual thinking. It’s key to troubleshooting hydronic systems.

The same goes for those circuits that won’t heat. Most contractors immediately think the problem is air so they start purging. But then the no-heat problem returns. Guess what they do next? They purge some more. The same problem returns. They keep purging. They’re wrong, but relentless.

Now consider the marble. Suppose it finds an easier path back to the circulator. Remember, all the flow in a hydronic system is going from the discharge of some circulator back to its suction. The water is lazy and it’s looking for the shortcut. If there’s no heat and purging doesn’t work, start thinking about resistance to flow because where there is no flow there is no heat.

 

Ghost flow

Engineers talk about Delta-P. They sometimes write it like this: P. It means the difference in pressure between two points. When you put air in your car’s tires, the air moves because of a difference in pressure. The greater the difference, the faster the flow of air. The air stops moving when the pressures equalize.

Same goes for water. The greatest pressure differences between two points often happen in the circuits closest to the circulator. The further out into the building you go, the closer those points of pressure differential tend to get. So up on the top floor, you may have little or no movement of water because the water is taking the closer-in path. No flow means no heat and it looks exactly like an air problem. Don’t be fooled, though. If you’re purging and not getting any air, it’s not an air problem.

So yes, if you give it a path it will take it. There’s no question about that. But if you give it a number of paths, as we do in our hydronic systems, the water may not take the one you want it to take. Remember that when you’re troubleshooting a no-heat call.

Be the marble.

Or be a ghostbuster!

My father was once the service manager for this manufacturers rep where we both worked. We sold Bell & Gossett products. B&G made flow-control valves to stop gravity circulation into zones that were off when other zones were on.

Problems showed up during the 1970s when the boiler people switched from boilers you could live inside of to those tiny “flash” boilers that came up to temperature faster than you could burp. In fact, that’s what B&G called the problem the shoebox boilers were having — “thermal burping.” And isn’t that a delightfully disgusting way to put it?

The flow-control valves would pop wide open when the boiler raced up to temperature and that led to what we call ghost flow — heat that shouldn’t be where it is. This, of course, led to overheated, unhappy customers.

The factory guys suggested that my dad wrap solder around the flow-control valve’s weight to give it a bit more resistance to burping. My father and Richie (his serviceman who hated everyone on the planet and especially our customers) tried, but with mixed results. The water had found its path and it was taking it. Lots of phone calls and plenty of screaming followed.

So Dad had a local machine shop fabricate what he called THE HEAVY INSERT. This was a hunk of brass stock that weighed more than my work boots. He sent Richie, who hated everyone, out to try it in the field and it worked like a charm. To this day, I’m still trying to figure out how the common circulator was able to lift that barbell of an insert when the thermostat called, but I suppose that speaks well for oversized circulators, doesn’t it?

At the time, we also learned ghost flow doesn’t need a whole circuit to happen. It just needs one pipe. If the flow-control valves are on the supply pipes, hot water will be more than happy to leave the boiler through the return pipes of the zones that aren’t calling. This is especially true if the return drops vertically into the boiler from, say, a bedroom radiator just above. The back end of the radiator will get hot and you’ll start thinking that water is flowing backward. You’ll be correct, but it’s not the circulator doing it. It’s water finding a path it can take. It’s ghost flow. The solution is to add a second flow-control valve on the return.

The same applies to primary-secondary pumping. You may need flow-control valves on both sides of your secondary circuits to prevent ghost flow when the secondary circulator is off. I learned that one the hard way and never forgot the lesson.

And take a close look at those old-school compression tanks that continue to hang in old basements. One pipe connects the tank to the boiler or the system piping. Hot water will rise up that pipe by buoyancy, displacing the cold water inside the tank, which will flow downward by gravity through the same pipe.

That cold water has absorbed some of the air in the tank and once the water gets hot, that air will wind up in a radiator. And that’s why those old-school tanks often lose their air cushion. You can solve the problem with a tank fitting that stops the gravity circulation or you can replace the tank with a more modern, diaphragm-type tank, which is what most contractors prefer.

When in doubt, be the marble.

 

This article was originally titled “Give it a path and it will take it” in the July 2017 print edition of Supply House Times.

KEYWORDS: hot water systems hydronics

Share This Story

Looking for a reprint of this article?
From high-res PDFs to custom plaques, order your copy today!

Dan is the hydronics contributing editor for Supply House Times. He founded the popular www.HeatingHelp.com web site where you'll find just that - Heating Help. Post your technical challenges on The Wall bulletin board and get input from some of the best in the business. You can reach him at dan@heatinghelp.com. He loves hearing from you!

Recommended Content

JOIN TODAY
to unlock your recommendations.

Already have an account? Sign In

  • Stock financial index show successful investment on property business and construction industry with graph and chart for presentation and report background.

    2025 predictions: Twelve trends supply houses should know

    As 2024 ends, I’ll review last year’s predictions and...
    Brad Williams: Succession Planning
    By: Brad Williams
  • Background of aerial view of Industrial container port part of shipping in nighttime with a blue overlay.

    2025 Next Gen ALL-STARS: Top 20 Under 40 PHCP-PVF Professionals

    The future of the PHCP-PVF industry is being shaped by a...
    Market Sectors
    By: Natalie Forster
  • Premier 150: The top PHCP-PVF Distributors of 2026

    Premier 150: The Top PHCP-PVF Distributors of 2026

    Combined revenue across this year’s Premier 150 once...
    Premier 150
    By: Natalie Forster
Manage My Account
  • eMagazine
  • Newsletters
  • Manage My Preferences
  • Online Registration
  • Subscription Customer Service

More Videos

Popular Stories

Premier 150: The top PHCP-PVF Distributors of 2026

Premier 150: The Top PHCP-PVF Distributors of 2026

Jeff Dice

Built to Scale, Designed to Stay Local: Lessons From Winsupply at 70

Erin McCusker, Chief Impact Officer, LIXIL

LIXIL Elevates Impact Strategy to the Next Phase, Appoints Chief Impact Officer

2026 Premier Rankings

Events

December 30, 2030

Webinar Sponsorship Information

For webinar sponsorship information, visit www.bnpevents.com/webinars or email webinars@bnpmedia.com.

View All Submit An Event

Poll

Identifying Daily Time Loss Areas for Your Team

Where does your team lose the most time each day?
View Results Poll Archive

Products

The Water Came To A Stop

The Water Came To A Stop

See More Products

Download the FREE 2025 Water Conservation, Quality & Safety eBook

Download the Fifth annual Bath & Kitchen Pro eBook

Related Articles

  • Illustration of businesspeople in a training session, a large white board with pinned papers and icons on it.

    Train for growth: Why your team is the key to modern marketing success

    See More
  • hydronic systems

    It's time to get serious about water quality in hydronic systems

    See More
  • Future-Proofing Hydronic Systems

    See More

Related Products

See More Products
  • MHH4-cover-image-301x400.jpg

    Modern Hydronic Heating and Cooling For Residential and Light Commercial Buildings, 4th Edition

  • Inspector Book.jpg

    Lessons Learned: A Guide to Boilers for Home Inspectors

See More Products

Related Directories

  • Falsken Water Systems Inc.

    Home of the Heater Treater line of scale protection for tankless, tank, and solar hot water heaters. Wholesale Line of Quality water treatment systems for residential, commercial and food service applications. Drinking water systems, water softening, chlorine and chloramine-reduction units, lead reduction, filtration, UV, filters, housings, cartridges, consulting/specifying, sizing and correct process determination.
  • Davenport Associates

    We manage product distribution and provide high level sales & marketing for manufacturers that sell directly into the wholesale channel, for manufacturers that prefer a consigned inventory in the territory, and for manufacturers that prefer a buy/sell arrangement. We have a proprietary commercial process that increases market share & profitability for our partners and a large, dynamic sales team throughout New England and Upstate NY. Check out our website to learn more!
  • Associated Marketing Inc.

    Philadelphia based firm that is focused on Results, driven by Passion, performed through Professionalism & Involvement while committed to continual Progress. We work long, hard hours, not only because it’s a requirement – but because it’s what challenges us to be better than our best.
×

Stay in the know on the latest PHCP-PVF industry trends.

Get tailored content delivered your way.

JOIN TODAY!
  • RESOURCES
    • Advertise
    • Contact Us
    • Directories
    • Store
    • Want More
    • Plumbing & Mechanical
  • SIGN UP TODAY
    • Create Account
    • eMagazine
    • Newsletter
    • Customer Service
    • Manage Preferences
  • SERVICES
    • Marketing Services
    • Reprints
    • Market Research
    • List Rental
    • Survey/Respondent Access
  • STAY CONNECTED
    • LinkedIn
    • Facebook
    • Instagram
    • YouTube
    • X (Twitter)
  • PRIVACY
    • PRIVACY POLICY
    • TERMS & CONDITIONS
    • DO NOT SELL MY PERSONAL INFORMATION
    • PRIVACY REQUEST
    • ACCESSIBILITY

Copyright ©2026. All Rights Reserved BNP Media, Inc. and BNP Media II, LLC.

Design, CMS, Hosting & Web Development :: ePublishing